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Here's my full story hopefully it is helpful for research purposes.
I've learned a lot about h pylori it's almost 10 years since Ive been dealing with it. I've also been reading several papers so if any one knows more about h pylori after helico_expert and Dr. Marshall, IT's ME ! :lol: Just joking!

I used to live in the US and I went on a raw vegan diet in 2012 or so (I believe this is the time I got infected with H pylori) after that I had mild gastritis symptoms (several months later) which over the course of 2 years got worse and worse. Had no idea what it was. Obviously I quite the raw vegan diet.

Two years later, 2014, I got an endoscopy and was diagnosed with severe gastritis and h pylori. Took triple therapy but failed to complete due to side effects, second line tratment: quadruple therapy, compleletely eradicated it and felt fine like life was good again.

A few months later I decided to move to Peru.

ONE WEEK AFTER I started living in Peru, the symptoms came back. Just one week! I did not shared utensils I did not even eat outside everything I ate was dishes that I cooked myself. Nothing raw, maybe bananas.

Did not know much about h pylor and this time I thought it was just gastritis or my stomach was not fully recovered from the last infection which was weird because my diet was super bland...

Did Breath test, negative. Did blood test, igM positive but other tests negative. So doctor diagnosed me with gastritis.

Two years later my condition got so bad I was puking blood from reflux sometimes it was that bad I had lost so much weight (42kg, 170cm tall guy) and I had a reaction (became allergic) to a lot of foods and was limited to eat just a few (the reason why i lost weight). This allergic reaction was just reflux nothing dangerous but basically everything my stomach did not like gave me reflux and then throat ulcers which made me puke blood sometimes.

Went to the doctor, did endoscopy, gastritis, h pylori detected. (So probably got infected in 2014 when i moved to Peru).

Did first round, breath test negative, stool test negative. I was happy and I thought I was on my to recovery.

Nope, never recovered although my breath and stool test were negative.

I just waited but that day never came back.

MID 2017: decided to go to another doctor a specialist in the field of h pylori in Peru, felt sorry for the way I looked my condition my body and was doubtful about treating me for h pylori with a negative stool test and negative breath test. The only positive test I had was my igM blood test (which was only negative sometimes, it was usually positive when I felt bad).

He empirically gave me some anibiotics similar to quadruple therapy telling me that if its not h pylori it may be something else the world is full bugs we still dont know about.

6 months after completing my treatment I was completely back to normal. I gained weight 68kg , i was finally able to move out of my room, study, meet people, go to parties, life was back to normal, it was mind-blowing, hard to believe I could eat pretty much everything even alcohol and spicy food and reflux was gone gone gone gone.

Anyways, 2017-2020 were the best years of my life. You wouldn't believe the stuff I was able to do during those years I still don't believe it myself. Going from a 42kg guy who barely had any sleep due to reflux to a 68kg guy partying, drinking, sleeping like a log and even playing football in a proifessional field! Those indeed were the best years of my life, I visited the doctor a year later or so and he did not recognize me and once he looked at me he said "It is nice when patients come back like this and they do so just to be thankful, it is nice for me to see you like this as a doctor". We both hugged and exchanged contact info.

2020 covid hit the country, so i moved back to Ica to stay with my family (im not married we're just a big family).

6 months later, symptoms came back, and they've never really gone away despite treating myself with abx for about 1 one year and a half (maybe 5 treatments or 4 in total). Now you may ask why not contact the doctor who got your life back and why treat yourself instead? That's not good! At least see another doctor in your area.

Well what you dont know is that the politics of this country is to not treat h pylori well either that or they're just clueless about it.

Every doctor I went just gave me anti reflux meds and the ones who treated me (actually just one besides the doctor I was talking about) told me "Why treat you? You'll get reinfected again, this thing is everywhere" for which I yelled at him and stormed out (I regret doing this but i was just fed up with h pylori, you gotta respect all doctors they mean well and this thing is so super complicated).

What about the doctor who cured you? Why not see him again?

Well he dissapeared, he had to resign due to his hospital's problems with the covid vaccine distribution. They basically gave it to politicians and doctors and not fully used them for clinical trials. So I can't find him and I probably never will.

Anyways, right now I have gastritis and food intolerances but not to the point of being sever and interefering with my life. I can still live life normally but it's painful , my stomach burns and i get reflux too, again not as bad as before i can still eat a lot of stuff and im not getting ulcers anymore but the gastritis and the symptoms are there.

I have done the the igM tests, for the past year or so and it's always positive. Always, after every treatment, during the treatment before treatment etc. I never tested positive for igG NEVER. The only true indicator for me that I have h pylori (stool tests sometimes fail for me) is the igM test which does not go down as its supposed to go down.

So what's to learn about your story? Looks like you're flexxing you know stuff and that you got better....

The main cause for reinfection for many of you might be:

WATER!

H pylori has been in the water all alone I think and it's the cause for my reinfection, for the past two years I've been living in Ica, the same place i got my first "reinfection" and thats why I can't seem to get better despite treatment after treatment.

We all boil water but we wash our dishes with hose water and we also brush our teeth with the same water. If you're getting reinfections and you're not getting better after treament, boil water and use it to wash dishes utensils and to brush your teeth. Im not sure if boilin water will kill h pylori but that's all you can do right?

Some places have clean water and others do not that's just the way it is. It's the only explanation I can find why I was able to get better when I moved to certain areas only.

90% of the peruvian population have the bacteria and even my family here complain of mild gastritis symptoms.

You could say they've infected me through saliva or sharing utensils, true, but I've learned to do none of that ever since 2014 and always used my own stuff and even cooked my own food. Never did I think of the stupid water...never...until a few months ago.

More research needs to be done about the water. There are some papers finding h pylori even in bottled water jesus!

Right now I just finished a treament with levofloxacin and amoxicilin. I think it may have been succesful but again because this thing I believe is in the water I coud've become reinfected again (maybe when taking a shower or washing my face) anyways we'll see.

Hopefully my h pylori igM test is negative and for once my igG is positive. IgM has been positive all this time (not a single negative igM test in the past two years).

Why do I expect to be negative this time?

I've been boiling tons of water till it looks like lava and pouring it in a container and i've been using that water only even for brushing my teeth.

I've also been eating broccoli sprouts and cooking the heck out of every food I eat. Hopefully that helps and my h pylori test igM is negative.

Unfortunately, this is very time consuming and sometimes I've used unboiled water to wash dishes and utensils (not very important when cooking because water will boil anyways).


Anyways Im not sad nor am I mad about this because I know h pylori is the culprit and that can be cured.

Hopefully this story is helpful to some of you. I'll keep you updated. :D

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Here are some of my tests throughout the years. I’ve had negative igM tests but only when I felt better which I can’t find the results to. I’ve also have a more recent igM test taken last month which was still positive ….

There’s a igM tests taken four months ago here

https://ibb.co/3k1w7Hx
https://ibb.co/Dk4ccSS
https://ibb.co/jLfqwzQ
https://ibb.co/4m8srbc
https://ibb.co/1dLzTVS

Also breath test is bullshit it never works in my case never tested positive even when infected what’s okay is stool test, I would test positive with really really bad infections of h pylori but not so great with mild infections like it’s been for the past two years.

So….if u want my advice don’t do stupid breath tests….blood tests are more accurate in my case but that’s not everyone’s cases….what’s more accurate for most people I think asi stool test so do that my friends. If that fails and u still have symptoms blood tests after several several months of your last treatment

I will attach ath newest igM test soon I just have to look through my cellphone.

IgM - recent infection remember that so either I’m getting reinfected all the time or my body never switches from igM to igG as long as I have an infection. One thing I’m sure of? This stupid thing does not die that easily as some claim…it survives quite well in water.

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Hi Photon

After reading your story, its looks obvious to me that you are allergic to something, could be something in your food or water. Do an allergy test or change your location

Best of luck !

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Just so my point is not mis understood and people can learn from this. These are the points of my story.

1. I have had h pylori all this time but the only reliable tests are fecal and blood test, more towards blood tests. Im not saying all my tests are negative and my ailments were due to something else.

Here's a positive fecal test back in 2016 when I was at my worst.

https://ibb.co/8XCnLpK

2. H pylori reinfection is very very common. In fact, I did not get infected with covid during two years but I did get h pylori (again because of the water). So people if you feel bad several months later (I'd say 4 months) then do a fecal antigen test and if you still feel bad after a negative test then do a blood test but you must have a baseline and monitor how the antibodies change over time (they should go down).

3. I did not make this clear but h pylori is basically like covid in some sense, you will get overall inflammation and the longer the inflammation is present the higher the chances you will develop food intolerances. It's also depends on how severe the infllamation.

In my case, the long standing severe inflammation caused me to lost digestive enzymes. I lost the enzyme to digest maltose which is present in nearly every single carbohydrate. Once my stomach detected maltose (it's in rice, potatoes, cookies, carbs,etc) it just rejected it it could not digest what else could it do if my body did not have the enzyme for it? It's similar to lactose intolerance you get diarrhea reflux stomach bloating, etc.

Once I at a lot of maltose like a cup of rice (I could eat in very very small amounts) my body would cause me to have reflux this repeated reflux damaged my throat creating ulcers which healed after a few days.

4. Finally, once h pylori is eradicated , the body will go back to a state of no inflammation and the enzymes all come back and you will have no symptoms when you digest food. In rare cases, you will lose some enzymes altogether and you will have a reaction to some foods here theres nothing you can do...just eliminate those foods out of your diet. Most culprits: lactose, gluten, soy and nuts. It will take a much much longer time to get back those enzymes once you eliminate h pylori. As for me, I got all my enzymes back after 6 months of no h pylori. Now several years later , got reinfected again and lost the enzymes to digest fat my body does not handle fat well now however i can eat all the carbs I want, it's a random process.

5. Vitamin D: I forgot to say this but I stopped taking vitamin D in 2020 cuz I ran out of it. I used to take 10 000 UI a day after I recovered from h pylori. It might have prevented reinfection during those awesome years. I think there are papers saying vitamin D will kill h pylori and tame the immune system to get rid of it. I'd strongly advice everyone to take vitamin D after h pylori eradication is confirmed (through stool test bc breath test is bullshit for some people it will be negative always because h pylori will cause low acid).

Don't forget to boil water guys and wash all dishes if you're living in a third world country or if you're getting reinfections. :lol:

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Hi,

thanks for sharing your very interesting story. Here is a few points... hopefully they help you understand better.

1. H. pylori doesnt survive well outside human body. So spreading from water is probably not the common path.
2. I think you have IgA instead of IgM. IgM is usually an indication of initial exposure of a pathogen. IgM antibody doesnt match perfectly to the pathogen. Usually as the immune system recognise the pathogen better, it will gradually switch to IgG or IgA. IgG is the common antibody that spread around the body. IgA is only present in the mucous surface, such as eyes, nose, lung, stomach, mouth, etc...
3. The immune system has memory. That's how the vaccine works. You took a vaccine, and your antibody will go up for months or years. That's why you should not use antibody as an indication of your H. pylori infection status. The antibody can remain positive for 3-5 years.
4. Nevertheless, it's odd to have negative IgG while your IgA is still so high. Immune system is hard to understand sometimes. But, knowing that you have negative UBT and negative IgG, I would assume you are free of H. pylori now.
5. Your symptoms are probably triggered by some allergens or stress. In Australia, where H. pylori prevalence is very low, we do have many people with gastric symptoms and no H. pylori. We still dont know why.

You had an endoscopy done in 2014. Perhaps it's about time to have another one to follow up the condition.

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Helico_expert wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:50 am
Hi,

thanks for sharing your very interesting story. Here is a few points... hopefully they help you understand better.

1. H. pylori doesnt survive well outside human body. So spreading from water is probably not the common path.
2. I think you have IgA instead of IgM. IgM is usually an indication of initial exposure of a pathogen. IgM antibody doesnt match perfectly to the pathogen. Usually as the immune system recognise the pathogen better, it will gradually switch to IgG or IgA. IgG is the common antibody that spread around the body. IgA is only present in the mucous surface, such as eyes, nose, lung, stomach, mouth, etc...
3. The immune system has memory. That's how the vaccine works. You took a vaccine, and your antibody will go up for months or years. That's why you should not use antibody as an indication of your H. pylori infection status. The antibody can remain positive for 3-5 years.
4. Nevertheless, it's odd to have negative IgG while your IgA is still so high. Immune system is hard to understand sometimes. But, knowing that you have negative UBT and negative IgG, I would assume you are free of H. pylori now.
5. Your symptoms are probably triggered by some allergens or stress. In Australia, where H. pylori prevalence is very low, we do have many people with gastric symptoms and no H. pylori. We still dont know why.

You had an endoscopy done in 2014. Perhaps it's about time to have another one to follow up the condition.

Im back to therapy again. I've tested the blood test igM/A and it came out positive. I just moved out of Ica, in my household, like I said, every single one is infected from h pylori in fact my cousin 18 years could not handle the symptoms and had to be taken to the doctor, he took 2 weeks abx and feels fine now but everyone else is just "tolerating the symptoms", it is crazy to me how the entire house is infected including neighbors and such everyone complains about reflux and stomach irritation from time to time.

The period i was free of h pylori was from mid 2017 (special abx given b y a researcher here in peru - quadruple therapy some variation) up to mid 2020 and those years i moved out of that state, im back to the capital now because I did not want to get reinfected again. Unfortunately, after my iGM/A test came out negative several months ago...i tested again because my stomach is just so irritated right now i wake up in the morning from burning pain and reflux is always there...again cannot tolerate fats.

I have known to be a guy with an extremely overactive immune system my whole life this has led me into several other issues my body goes into completely full blown sort of "cykotine storm" when either a drug in high dosage is given or a virus gets in or even a bacteria....luckily abx is one of the few medicines that do not give me much side efffects, esomeprazole does take out all my acid and i cannot digest food thats the only issue with the 2 weeks treatment.

Anyways, I got a positive iGM/A here taken at a very respectable lab. Once I complete my treatment you will see the markers go down and my symptoms ease. Also back in 2016 when my markets where positive iGM/A ...i got an endoscope confirming h pylori.

I will attach the markets going down after treatment, you can use it for your research sure. Of course thats assuming i eliminate the bacteria again.

Again my igG or igA have NEVER been positive, NEVER. Only the igM/A have been positive.

It may be due to my overactive immune system I may not have igG antibodies but i remember they took that test in the hospital back in the US and it was all good i do have them but apparently when it comes to h pylori....it just doesnt show up never ever.

Now im not saying igM/A tests are a great indicator for most people but in some cases it may be. I can tell you it is for me....it never fails to amazes me how the symptoms correlate with these positive markers and breath tests being the most useless tests of them all. Fecal tests are hit or miss in my case...sometimes positive sometimes negative.

Anyways....lets see what happens. If I don't kill the bacteria, I may have to go to your lab in australia because the treatment in peru is unfortunately very very scarce most doctors just give you and give you stuff to contorl the symptoms...reinfection is very common so they see it as being something unncessary to do I suppose. There are a few young ones who do prescribe the 2 week abx course but if it doesnt work after a few rounds they just give up entirely...they cannot culture bacteria and they don't have the experience for it. My only one doctor who was a researcher for h pylori in peru unfortunately stopped being a doctor and a researcher because he got himself into 'corruption' issues with the vaccine (basically not using it for research but for politicans) etc.

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sorry for the slow response.

1. it's rare for adults to be reinfected with H. pylori. The risk of reinfection is higher if you are living with someone that is also a carrier of H. pylori.
2. blood test is not the recommended test to find out if you are still infected with H. pylori. Once infected, the antibody can stay in your body for months or years.
3. do you have access to other tests? such as breath or stool test?

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This is a very very long report but I tried to be as detailed and as partial as possible here. If you are not a researcher you don't need to read all of it. I made a summary for you at the end:
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This time I will be precise withi my locations and the dates . No need to response I am not asking for help (YET :lol: :lol: :lol: maybe I will later) but Im just posting this info for researchers who work hard to treat all thel people dealing with this problem .

First, Heres a list of all the tests from a single lab. I will attach fecal and endoscopy results throughout all these years when I find them. Also extra blood tests too ( its going to take time).


They are tests from all the years Ive been feeling bad reflux stomch burn in the morning ulcers....etc.

Heres my history in summary:

Early 2014 (New York - US)
(after a year of stomach pain reflux bloated stomach) gastro ordered endoscopy and fecal tests. H Pylori positive. After two treaments it was gone symptoms gone , fecal test negative (he did not trust breath test apparently), I was cured and living life normally then I decided to move to Peru in late 2014 ( BIG BIG BIG MISTAKE - over 80% of the people in Peru have symptoms, in fact, it is rare for someone not to complain of 'h pylori' symptoms in some regions - Ica is one).

---Moved to peru, ica----again--big big big big big mistake.

2 weeks after moving to Ica in 2014: stomach pain but ignored it until 2015 or so...also had reflux and food intolerance. Went to a doctor in Ica, he did some tests, the breath test which was USELESS because it showed negative so I belived that breath test and brush it off as stress myself or whatever...until the symptoms just were unbereable. I took the tests in Lima from the best lab had to travel to Lima for one day here. What's interesting here is that the doctor in Ica was also part of the research group of hpylori in Peru because he was friend of the the researcher who cured me from 2017-2020 and he BELIVED in blood tests but I DID NOT TAKE THEM because I've read here and other forums that they were useless...If I had only taken those blood tests. Im sure they would've shown positive and I would've avoided so much trouble.

2016(moved to Lima): I moved to the capital because in Ica my symptoms were just out of this world and I was trying to look for another disease other than h pylori because I was convinced i did not have it after two breath tests came out negative (should've taken blood tests or at least do an endoscopy or fecal test).

Mid 2016-2017: Had endoscopy turns out I had h pylori all this time and despite breath tests being negative before. Doctor ordered blood tests too. Note that iGG tests were always always negative just like breath tests. Took abx...worked for 3 months then reinfected again according to the doctor but he said he will not kill h pylori this time that it would be better for me to just live with it. He himself said (this is a new doc btw) that he has h pylori too and it doesnt bother him. He told me to just give up and live with it so he gave me esomeprazole and otoher meds to calm down the symptoms. Of course he never saw me puking blood at night and he never believed I did that because there were no ulcers on the endoscopy, the thing is the ulcers heal pretty fast for me they were in my throat frmo the reflux and as long as I did not speak much and I stuck to my diet, they would go away in several days.

Mid 2017:
Still in Lima still suffering everyday then took the blood tests and the iGM/A showed positive negative iGG. Thus I went to the research group doctor in h pylori. HE said: "Your breath tests are negative but your blood test igM/A is positive and you weigh only 42kg , you have food intolerances reflux and all this stuff but the breath tests are negative I really dont't know whether or not I should treat you but I will trust my gut and avoid doing the endoscopy and treat you anyways" . 3 moths after abx..all symptoms gone for good.

I have no tests after that (until 2021) because I was feeling fine after abx. I even gain back my weight up to 68kg, could eat outside and even joined a university to do research on other subjects ( not h pylori). Coincidentally the professor I worked with (physics subject) told me that "I FUCKED UP I should not have moved to Peru. My body will have to 'adjust' to the 'bugs' that live here. After I told him I was sick for several years before joining the school). Anyways 2017-2020 my best years (again in Lima). Had the time of my life, partying, drinking, eating junk food with no symptoms. H pylori was just a bad dream at this point. I forgot I ever had stomach problems. I was even able to drink very hard liquor and even spoiled food (unvolutanrily) with no reflux.


Here comes the KICKER !!!!


2020 MOVED back to ICA due to Covid-19 and symptoms started 2 months after moving Reflux, stomach pain and all you can think of. Again I ignored it because I thought h pylori was gone perhaps I drank too much liquor (i only had a couple of glasses of wine in 2020 just once!).

Took blood tests in early 2021 after the symptoms just escalated again (although this time I had not much reflux and thus almost no ulcers - like I said at this point i had recoverd all my enzymes from the years I was feeling well 2017-2020 . maltose the most important enzyme i was able to recover it and thus most foods could be better absorbed even when having h pylori but this time i wasn't able to digest fats that were not fresh...perhaps I lost an enzyme that could digest fat ...although to some degree obviously because I wasn't getting that much reflux from eating fats).

2021 August ( ICA) - 2022 July : Since EVERYONE in that house in Ica had symptoms of h pylori. I bought my OWN house in ICA to avoid h pylori reinfection and thus I lived alone and took care of myself. Took blood tests in aother lab positive took abx symptoms gone for a month...then took blood test again...positive (again im talking about igM)...took abx again....symptoms gone...months later...symptoms back (blood test - positive). So at this point I figured it may not be my family, yes they do have h pylori because my cousin in that house everyone lives at had an endoswcopy and had h pylori and everyone else complains of reflux, has bad breath and stomach problems.

But I figured if its not them (even though they have h pylori) then what is it? Then I started thinking about the first two weeks in 2014 (when I moved from NY to Ica) and which after these two weeks of living in ICA, PERU got symptoms...what did I do back then? I certaintly did not share utensils...even though I was living with everyone else...I was usually in my room...I also cooked my own food and used my own plate...and utensils. I never shared anything with those guys...so why did I get reinfected in 2014 when I moved to Peru despite being super careful of having no contact..could h pylori be transmited through the air? No.

Then I remmeber that even though I dirnk bottled water...I use water from the hose to brush my teeth. Then it all made sense. The first re-infection in 2014 (after moving to Peru was due to water) and probably every single reinfection I had in ICA was due to the water too.

August 2022

Once I had this realization I moved to Lima and I am in Lima now and for good. I will add that in 2016 when I killed h pylori after the endoscopy I was in a region of Lima that had a house next to a river and perhaps the water there was different so I had reinfection.

Please note that during all this time 2014-2017 I never ate outside I always cooked my own food and used my own utensils and when I moved back to Lima 2015-2020 I did the same but this time I lived alone.


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I will attach fecal tests which some showed positive during 2015-2017 and some negative later.i have to look for them....I did not take fecal tests after that only in 2017 maybe to confirm the h pylori was gone after i got treatment from the research group here.

Also I will attach endoscopy results from 2016 showing h pylori later.

SUMMARY: based on my experience note that I am not a doctor just a guy who researchers about h pylori after living with it ON and OFF for nearly 10 years


Breath tests: are the worst imo. They work when you have high loads of h pylori but not when the load is low.

Fecal tests: second best after endoscopy. It will not work if your h pylori load is too low. Since I believe my load is low this time but my immune system is just way too agressive i have symptoms.

Endoscopy - never fails ! It's never failed for me either. Whether the load of h pylori is high or low, it will tell you the truth.

Blood tests are controversial. They totally work for me because my inmmune system overreacts ALWAYS for any disease so Im thankful that I have not tested for Covid-19 EVER, I would've probably died in the first wave (this is why I moved to Ica...I traded covid for h pylori).

igG: is always negative for me even when I had positive endoscopy positive fecal tests and when feeling fine. But if you're a regular guy with a more or less OKAY inmune system, it should show up positive but the test itself is really useless to test whether or not you have h pylori.

igM/A: This is for recent infections but it MAY BE ALWAYS positive for you if you are like me and you have an agressive inmmune system. It only shows negative FOR ME after treatment is done....i only have one result to prove this I will attach it later if I find it. It should show positive for most people during the first months of infection though...after that it switches to igG.

Last conclusion from my experience after nearly 10 years with h pylor (its going to be 10 years in 2024):


Reinfection is VERY likely in third world countries, you may NOT get symptoms though because the h pylori load is low. If it THE LOAD IS TOO HIGH, the immune system of a regular individual (not me) will overreact and you will get symptoms (depending on how agressive your inmune system is as some are 'tamed' by h pylori living in synbyosis). If you've got an agressive inmmune system, low loads of h pylori will cause you tons of trouble and you will have negative tests (due to low loads)

Again this is all just theories based on my experience as a PATIENT, not as a DOCTOR.

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