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Penicillin allergy

The cure of Hp usually requires antibiotics. Other things have been tried and have a weaker effect.

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Re: Penicillin allergy

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unfortunately antibiotic is the only effective treatment for H. pylori.

There are some natural remedy mentioned in this forum. However, it doesnt work for everyone. Natural remedy can take a very long time and usually has a cure rate of lower than 10%.

It is best you find out what antibiotics you can use and design a treatment plan.

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Re: Penicillin allergy

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Natural remedies could work, but it takes time, sometimes months. I think the key is in the high doses of PPI'S, whether u use standard antibiotics therapy or natural remedies. At the previous page I've posted clinical trial about the black seed oil's impact on the h.pylori eradication. Currently, I'm on the 2g of black seed oil capsules (could not find capsules with powder) and 80mg of Pantoprazole daily. Also, I'm on the strict low sugar and salts diet. I'm going to do a stool test again 4 weeks after the end of treatment, so we'll see.

P. S. It's also important that you're sure u don't have GI bleeding and ulcers. You should do endoscopy before any treatment. I've done it 2 months ago and it shows antral gastritis and bulbitis without signs of ulcers.

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Re: Penicillin allergy

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What antibiotics should you avoid if you are allergic to penicillin?
It is generally recommended that you avoid all drugs in the immediate penicillin family (amoxicillin, ampicillin, amoxicillin-clavulanate, dicloxacillin, nafcillin, piperacillin-tazobactam as well as certain drugs in the cephalosporin class (a closely related class to penicillins).
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Re: Penicillin allergy

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yes.. you have listed all the antibiotics under the Penicillin family.

but only about 10% of people who is allergic to penicillin also allergic to cephalosporin. So perhaps it's something you can go find out.

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Re: Penicillin allergy

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Update: the stool test is negative (rapid immunochromatography antigen test). I will be doing another one in a different lab just to make sure that h.pylori is eliminated.

So, after my first failed treatment, Metronidazole + Clarithromycin+ Pantoprazole + Bismuth for 7 days, I've decided to try with natural remedies. I found an interesting clinical trial which consists of Black seed's oil 2g daily plus Pantoprazole 40 mg daily, with similar eradication rates compared to triple therapy. I've modified this regime, taking 80 mg Pantoprazole daily for the first 15 days then reducing dose to 40 mg for the last 15 days. After that I found on the net an article about a naturopath who claims that by using his herbal preparations, h. Pylori is eliminated in 12 days.

Unlike others, who claim the same, he submitted an evidence in the form of h.pylori negative stool test results after his therapy. I know, there is a chance that results were falsified in agreement with patients or laboratories, but through our conversation he seemed like a nice guy, so I've decided to try at my own risk. The risk was greater because I did not know the origin of his remedies and their classification, but I've already decided to try it at my own risk.

His treatment consisted of 4 different herbal remedies. 3 cups of tea 3 times per Day, half an hour before each meal. One tablespoon of tea with 300 ml of boiled water. Also, I've used famotidine 40 mg daily for 12 days. He told me that I should do stool/UBT test 5 or 6 weeks test after the end of treatment. In fact, this was one of the main reasons I've decided to try his products, since he knew that is beneficial to do stool/UBT test not immediately but instead give it a time for bacterial colonies to grow if not eradicated. My symptoms aren't as severe as were before, but I'm still nauseous in the morning and sometimes I feel burning sensations in the stomach. It's going to be a long journey until full recovery, assuming that test result is accurate.
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Re: Penicillin allergy

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Pluton,
I've been consuming freeze dried broccolli sprouts from KOYAH. I have felt an improvement despite it being a natural remedy. I'm waiting until January to see if my esophagitis improves enough to switch from a ppi to an h2 receptor antagonist. I plan to get retested and then do another treatment if necessary.

I also use gas x / simethicone. It suppresses bacterial growth.

Gas x eliminates the burning pain, gas, bloating, breathlessness, and belching.

Broccolli sprouts helped with eliminating stomach inflammation and got rid of my heart palpitations. It also changed the color of my stool back to a normal color. Before, it was too light in color but I thought it was because of the antacids.

Some days, I almost feel normal. The broccolli sprouts made a huge difference. I started feeling noticeably better within a few days.

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Re: Penicillin allergy

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TinaSF wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:10 pm
Pluton,
I've been consuming freeze dried broccolli sprouts from KOYAH. I have felt an improvement despite it being a natural remedy. I'm waiting until January to see if my esophagitis improves enough to switch from a ppi to an h2 receptor antagonist. I plan to get retested and then do another treatment if necessary.

I also use gas x / simethicone. It suppresses bacterial growth.

Gas x eliminates the burning pain, gas, bloating, breathlessness, and belching.

Broccolli sprouts helped with eliminating stomach inflammation and got rid of my heart palpitations. It also changed the color of my stool back to a normal color. Before, it was too light in color but I thought it was because of the antacids.

Some days, I almost feel normal. The broccolli sprouts made a huge difference. I started feeling noticeably better within a few days.
Glad to hear that you're better, but keep in mind that broccolli sprouts are able only to suppress h.pylori growth and reduce it's colonization. It's very important to get off everything that suppress h.pylori growth for 5 or 6 weeks and do stool/UBT test to make sure that bug is eradicated.

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Re: Penicillin allergy

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Thanks for the advice. I will be sure to stop consuming broccolli sprouts well before getting tested. I want my results to be as accurate as possible.

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Re: Penicillin allergy

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Helico_expert wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:03 am
if your remedy is going to affect your stomach acid, then stop. otherwise it is ok.
Helico_expert, I need Your help with this one. I did the stool test 2 days ago and it showed negative. I had stopped famotidine 3 days before the test. I didn't use antibiotics or any PPI for about 40 days. I've decided to do the UBT instead another rapid stool test, and I found two labs which provide tests. I know that general rules are to stop taking antibiotics and Bismuth 4 weeks before test, and PPI's 2 weeks, but one of these labs gave me info that I should stop taking H2 blockers 7 days before the test, and another lab gave me info I should stop taking H2 blockers 14 days before the test. I'm confused now... Which one is right? What should I do? Today is my seventh day without famotidine intake.

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Re: Penicillin allergy

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with famotidine or any H2 blockers, you only need to fast for 6 hrs before breath test

Here is a guide of how long you need to stop taking the acid suppressants and antibiotics.

https://helico.com/PYtest_guide_2013.pdf

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